Got a big job but there's a problem!

Yikes! Do you have access to a trailer with sides that you could leave on the site until its full?

I almost ran into a situation like this one when I first started. They were redoing the ceiling tiles at my wife's hotel, an one of the guys was talking about how the tile's could be sold/scrapped for cash. I didn't see how it was possible in my location so I just passed, an took the metal..lol. I didn't want to get stuck with piles of ceiling tile.

I wish ya luck in finding an out let for the stuff, my guess would be to google it up and see if you get any hits. Maybe they can be reused..I dunno, I ain't a roofer.

Good luck an glad to see you taking the advice on here bout finding a niche, an getting out there an networking/looking for contacts, etc!

Edited: Here's a link for you Rick, maybe it'll help. It's on Shingle recycling. Hope it helps.

http://www.shinglerecycling.org/

Sirscrapalot - Let the good times roll..

Shingles are VERY HEAVY, take up a lot of space and you will need a beefy trailer and truck to move them.

Just because something is recyclable doesn't necessarily mean there's money in it...do all you homework twice before you commit. Roofers work on tight schedules and any interruptions by you will make them look bad.

Originally Posted by ScraperRick

So I called up a roofing contractor and asked him if I can do his recycling. (I figured out this idea after doing lots of research). I told him I recycle all of it, I take the asphalt shingles (found out I can recycle those. Does anyone know much you get for them?) and I take aluminum siding.

I was shocked when he asked me, "how much do you want to charge me"? I told him nothing (might be a mistake but at this point I'm trying to get my feet wet).
He said he'll give me all of his scrap to recycle just to bring a container cause there's a lot of scrap.
But here's my problem! If you guys could help me solve this, it could become my niche.

I don't have a container or a way to bring it to a recycling yard. Do you guys have any idea's on what I could do? Rent one, find a service, idk? I'd need it to plant it to his job site than bring it to the recycling yard.

Please help me figure this out. Thank you!!

You've done lots of research but didn't get a price for the old shingles? What are you going to do with the plywood under the shingles which often gets replaced, too? I've always had to pay $140 per ton at the landfill so I'll be interested in following this. As far as a container, I'd second newattitude's suggestion of a trailer. You'll want one that tilts, though. Build up the sides and leave it on-site. I'd actually suggest getting two, so you can leave one when you pick up the other.

Second on KZScrapper's observation, too. Shingles get very heavy, very fast. I learned that the hard way when I was hauling junk for people. You'll want a dual axle, even if it's a smaller trailer. I took it that you've already committed and why I didn't suggest rethinking this whole idea.

So I read this post and was curious and called a friend of mine that runs a large asphalt plant here in town. I even woke him up...lol

I asked him why I see all of the shingles going in the dump every day, and I mean a lot of loads of them, when shingle are recyclable. He told me the only way he could even begin to use them were if all of the nail were removed. He has not seen one contractor willing to remove all of the nails during a tear-off when all of these shingles pile up. The logistics of removing the nails after the fact would be mind numbing. Tearing off a roof is already an unpleasant task. You add to that The task of removing every nail and you couldn't get anyone around here to do it. Time is another factor. Roofers are usually in a hurry to get in there and get the job done. Generally roofers are up against the homeowner, weather and every silly building code you could imagine.

These homeowners could be members of every recycling event in town, but when it is their own house that construction is slowed up on recycling seems a whole lot less appealing.

But I assure you that you want to do a lot of homework before you step off in something that leaves your shoes smelling funny. There is a reason these contractors are willing to pay dump fees for this stuff.

My shop is a couple miles from the dump on the same road. there are at times an endless train of loads of shingles going there in dump trucks and heavy dump trailers. I am going to do some more research on this today.

My buddy did say that where they do recycle them they grind them in smaller pieces and use a machine to separate the nail from the shingles. I can not imagine that that machine is cheap.

I will be doing homework with you today. It is time to tap into my own vast network of resources...lol

Here in Waterloo we ran a test between "virgin" hot mix and hot mix
made with recycled tear-off and manufacture recycled shingles.
The same PG58-28 binder was used to prepare three
different mixtures: 20%RAP, 15%RAP + 5%
tearoff shingles, and 15%RAP + 5% manufacture waste shingles. The
results indicated that the two types of shingles perform differently.
The manufactured material seems to be beneficial, as it slightly
increases the stiffness and did not affect the tensile strength of both
mixtures and extracted binders. The binder critical temperature
increased very little. The addition of tear off shingles appeared to
affect properties in a more negative way, although it also increased
only slightly the stiffness of the binders. However, it lowered the
strength of the binder significantly at the higher test temperature
and increased the binder critical temperature. This was not
confirmed by the strength tests on mixtures, which did not indicate
any significant reduction with the addition of tear off shingles.
The extracted binder rheological data showed that the addition of
shingles increases only slightly the stiffness but lowers the
mvalues significantly. This indicates that the addition of shingles
lowers the temperature susceptibility of the binders making them
stiffer than conventional and RAP modified binders at intermediate
temperatures more characteristic of fatigue cracking distress.

It was explained that there were things that need to be
accounted for that those outside the industry do not look at.
For instance. As far as coatings used on a tearoff roof. The company
mixing the asphalt is responsible for the environmental impact of their
product. It is hard to accept that responsibility when you have
no way of knowing what coatings or adhesives were used
throughout the life of the roof. Then there is the properties of the
paper or any underlay whoever put the roof on used. When
all of the fish start dying from run off on the road heads will roll.
Most companies do not like dealing with unknowns when they
themselves have to accept total responsibility for any impact.

I am not a roofer or a asphalt guy. This is just information I gleaned
from my vast information network of people that are much
smarter than I am and talk way above my head. Basically what I
got out of our conversation and email was that there was a S#*t load
of homework and research for me to do if I were ever to think about
recycling shingles as ScrapperRick is talking about in this thread.

Sorry for the long techno babble my buddy sent me...lol

Originally Posted by Bear

ever heard the phrase "look before you leap" ?

Dang Bear.. so thats what the Parachutes are for.? Good thing I was only two feet of the ground.. Whewww.. Do OVer.