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    Sell aluminum cans directly to a smelter?

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    Does anyone here sell directly to a smelter, specifically aluminum cans? If so, is there a minimum weight? Must they be "processed" in any way first? What is the differential in price between what a smelter pays and a recycling center pays? Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevea41 View Post
    Hello, new here.

    Does anyone here sell directly to a smelter, specifically aluminum cans? If so, is there a minimum weight? Must they be "processed" in any way first? What is the differential in price between what a smelter pays and a recycling center pays? Thanks in advance.
    You would need at least 1 or 2 truckloads already crushed and bundled to get their attention, less than that then you need to talk to an owner or manager of a yard to get their best price.
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    we have a smelting company around here,,,they pay 12 cents to 20 cents per pound for aluminum cans

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    Quote Originally Posted by wadarbr549 View Post
    we have a smelting company around here,,,they pay 12 cents to 20 cents per pound for aluminum cans
    What!! I just went past a place today in Ft.Wayne paying .75 lb.

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    I got .65 here last week

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    At minimum they should get same price as clean Al.
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    That might be the only good thing about CA is the can prices $2.10

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    pop cans at the junk yards pay 60 to 65 cents per pound here........if you take them to the aluminum smelting place they pay 12 to 20 cents per pound depending on your quanity and if they are bailed or not...

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    Thanks for all the replies!

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    If the scrap yard is paying $.75/lb then the smelter must be paying double that !
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    Sell aluminum cans directly to a smelter?

    I sold cans last week got 50 cents ... I thought that was a little low

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    Quote Originally Posted by wadarbr549 View Post
    we have a smelting company around here,,,they pay 12 cents to 20 cents per pound for aluminum cans
    OUCH! Where is the lube??
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    Quote Originally Posted by unitsngold View Post
    That might be the only good thing about CA is the can prices $2.10
    Not sure how good loaning the state of California $.05 to $.10 for each can you purchase and have to also pay sales tax on the deposit, then lug back the cans somewhere to get YOUR money back is!!!! But sure if you get them for free then it is real good!

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    I get the impression that the gradeo of ALI in Ali cans is specific to the cans.
    The tabs and the cans are the same grade too.

    So when you take the cans, they bail them and send the bails back to the original can manufacturer.
    That way there's only one middleman and you get good prices.

    If you send the cans to a foundry etc, they may have to test the moltem ali and add other metals to the mix to get it right.
    That costs money.

    I think its the same deal with cast ali. The foundry who casts the ali wants 'casting grade Ali' only.
    I think that's why there's so many grades of Ali.
    Domestic. Cast ali. Àli cans. Extrusion ali. Plus others....

    The bestvway to get the best deal is, handle it once only!!!!!!
    Pick up the can, shake yo make sure there's nothing in it. Squeeze the can so the sides touch and put it in whtever its going to be taken to tge scrap mtal dealers in.
    Two notes here.
    1 Guiness beer cans have a plastic ball inside them. Lke a tabletenis ball. It stops the beer from foaming so much.
    2. Don't flaten the cans. Flattening is another process and adds to the time handling the cans. It dosn't save much space either. Plus , if you flatten the cans, when they bail the cans up, they don't stick together which is a real pain for the guys who deal with the cans.
    By just squeezing the sides in, it saves the space and makes the cans 'lock together' into one big chunk when they bail it up.

    We get special prices for Ali cans. There's a smelter who melts them down to billets and they go to the can manufacturer in one go.

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    Stevea41 -- a great question that I've also asked on another forum and never got a response. I plan on calling a big player like Alcoa or Novelis one day if my volume warrants it. Why not cut out the middle man and get the higher price that the yards get? The only problem is that top tier recycler is probably only interested in someone dealing in "x" number of tons of cans, and they would probably want them bailed. I'm guessing they may just refer a small-time collector back to the yard, or maybe even better and have you special deliver the cans to the yard for a higher price than normal. It goes without saying that a yard will typically give you 5 cents or more per pound if you have decent volume, say several hundred pound of UBCs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogert View Post
    Stevea41 -- a great question that I've also asked on another forum and never got a response. I plan on calling a big player like Alcoa or Novelis one day if my volume warrants it. Why not cut out the middle man and get the higher price that the yards get? The only problem is that top tier recycler is probably only interested in someone dealing in "x" number of tons of cans, and they would probably want them bailed. I'm guessing they may just refer a small-time collector back to the yard, or maybe even better and have you special deliver the cans to the yard for a higher price than normal. It goes without saying that a yard will typically give you 5 cents or more per pound if you have decent volume, say several hundred pound of UBCs.
    I think you aren't reading the situation clearly. The yard is not the middleman, they are a necessary means to get the material to the mill. Yards have large costs and run on thin margins. Just because they get paid more money, doesn't mean they are making more money.

    Additionally you are getting paid the day you drop the material off, avoiding market fluctuation as well as slow payment - 45 to 90 days (cashflow).

    These mills require millions of lbs and they want minimum qualified suppliers.

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