Alright this site is awesome thanks everyone. And thanks for welcoming the right way. Im going to get the grinder out in the morning. I didnt think it would work since the case goes into the middle of the winding but thanks for the tip. And thanks for the pricing as whole. I like to way the options. Ive been scrapping for about a year now. I knew i was missing a lot. Im sure thankful for this forum and its great patrons. Thanks again.