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    Melting Copper bright vs. burnt

    I have a bunch of bright copper that is stripped and a bunch that is burnt.
    I am planning on melting one or the other, or both, into figurines and other stuff and making the rest into bars for later use or scrapping.
    I am wondering if the final product will be any different/better quality/shinier/etc. if I use bright vs. burnt. or will it all look the same in the end?
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    Wouldn't much matter which one you use, copper is not used to cast art objects. Try bronze.

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    I know, just an example. let me rephrase my question.
    If I made 2 copper bars. one from stripped, clean, bright copper. and the other from burnt brittle wire. What would be the difference between the two? Or would they be exactly the same?

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    Is your question, can I melt burnt copper to hide the fact?
    When the white man discovered this country Indians were running it
    no taxes, no debt, women did all the work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris Kringle View Post
    Copper is Copper. On a side note some yards wont take Smelted copper I guess for fear of not knowing if something else is mixed in with it.
    or for the fact that it might be made from old pennies which is a federal offense to destroy
    We're the renegades of Junk!

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    I don't steal. I do highway and bridge construction. When digging or demoing we find lots of $crap. Normally it would get buried or thrown away. But I keep a good eye out for the goods.
    anyway, over time I had a bunch of copper wire and pipe. My original plan was to melt it down into bars to save for a rainy day or for the end of the modern world or something. I melted off the coating to about 80 lbs or so, planning on melting it down. I've stopped burning now, cause it's bad for our grandchildren, and doesn't pay as much. I still will make a few bars for fun with some of the burnt. I will call my local yards, but if they wont take bars.... any suggestions on what to do with the rest of the burnt then?


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    Just take to your local yard and it should qualify for #2 copper. If it doesn't then consider selling the bars on ebay. I don't believe making bars is a money making proposition. You burnt the insulation off wire, thats bad, you stopped, thats good. Don't do it anymore. Best of luck, Mike.

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    If you melt your burnt copper, your yield will be lower, but just as bright, as if you melt shiny copper. The burnt, or oxidized, copper will float on top in the form of dross with other impurities. Your burnt copper will have more dross and less pure metal.

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    A yard I went to here in CT had a copper bar cut in half in their warehouse. Someone had found a way to pour copper around a big hunk of steel. It weighed about 10lbs but only maybe a pound of that was copper! They refuse Ingots of any kind other than steel for this reason.

    Also you have to factor in the cost of the fuel you will be burning to melt the copper down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G_P View Post
    A yard I went to here in CT had a copper bar cut in half in their warehouse. Someone had found a way to pour copper around a big hunk of steel. It weighed about 10lbs but only maybe a pound of that was copper!
    In all the things that a person could do, that rates very very low, about as low as someone could get.

    I have a story about something similar and thats one reason why I would never steep as low as that.
    And I regard anyone who even thinks of doing it as a complete cretin.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cretin

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    Quote Originally Posted by G_P View Post
    They refuse Ingots of any kind other than steel for this reason.
    I could cut it for them?

    Quote Originally Posted by G_P View Post
    Also you have to factor in the cost of the fuel you will be burning to melt the copper down.
    I understand, but it's mainly for fun for me. never melted copper, something new.

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    haha reminds me of a fishing story. stuff it with lead to tip the scales!!!

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    Sounds like your making it more complicated than it needs to be. .02

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    This is the reason I check the tare weights as well as look under the skid before I buy to ensure that they are not throwing rocks under there. I had it happen. I paid for 25 pounds of rock wedged in the skid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ParkerFlyer4 View Post
    haha reminds me of a fishing story. stuff it with lead to tip the scales!!!
    Coincidence?
    Todays Google was a pic from Mark Twains book (?) I guess its a American thing, I know of the books he wrote but not much else.
    I had just googled Mark Twain & read about a short story he wrote, "The Celebrated Jumping Frog of Calaveras County"
    In it Jim, the writer, trains a jumping frog & bets with a stranger that his own frog will jump higher than any other frog he can get.
    But, 'While Jim is catching the stranger's frog, the stranger pours lead shot into Jims frog's mouth.'

    & Jim looses the bet.....


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