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    Quote Originally Posted by spinroch View Post
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    it was a ac/dc it was not electronic it had a max voltage of 460 i think maybe the wires i was testing was past that voltage? it lookked like this


    http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71TQ9T9XRGL.gif

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    There would not be 460 inside a house, at the most 220 for a heavy circuit like central air, furnace, etc. Normally it's 110.

    I wonder what would happen if you reversed the red and black wire. That would be putting the voltage thru the ground side of the meter,,,,hmmm. scratch head,,,
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    First, there is not 460 volts. 277/480 volts is sometimes available for induatrial and commercial customers. It could possibly be in a large residential building for a central heating or cooling system, but would be very rare. Voltage would need to be stepped down for the living units. I seriously doubt it was 480. Would probably have knock you down.
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    Just a slight correction here...

    Voltages are not absolute...for example, the common industrial voltage is called 460, or 480, or if you are a little older it sometimes is referred to as 440. All the same animal. If you put a voltmeter onto it you would see anything in the range, mostly +/-10% around 460..., but some utilities shoot for 480.

    In one of the plants I engineered for when everything was down you would see just over 500V and when we were putting out rivers of lumber and drawing lots of power the voltage would suck down to 415V. This was due to an undersized main transformer and lack of an automated gizmo on the transformer called an "auto load tapchanger" that would change taps to boost the voltage when under load and lower it when idling.

    I ultimately changed out the transformer for a bigger, good used one from a US Air Force base in California that had a tapchanger. We set the voltage at 480 because the higher voltage meant motors drew less current to give the horsepower.

    Just the same in home plug voltages. You've heard 110, 117, 120, even 130 V for a standard plugin voltage. Its all the same. The older guys have heard 110 a lot more than they have now, where 120 has become the "standard". The exact voltage you see in you house is governed by the settings on the transformer on the pole out on the street and the load on the transformer.

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    I think the OP needs to do a little bit of educating himself about basic electricity. For his own good, before he seriously gets hurt or worse. If you don't learn how to read, use and setup a meter, you will keep "Smoke Checking" them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sawmilleng View Post
    Just a slight correction here...

    Voltages are not absolute...for example, the common industrial voltage is called 460, or 480, or if you are a little older it sometimes is referred to as 440. All the same animal. If you put a voltmeter onto it you would see anything in the range, mostly +/-10% around 460..., but some utilities shoot for 480.

    In one of the plants I engineered for when everything was down you would see just over 500V and when we were putting out rivers of lumber and drawing lots of power the voltage would suck down to 415V. This was due to an undersized main transformer and lack of an automated gizmo on the transformer called an "auto load tapchanger" that would change taps to boost the voltage when under load and lower it when idling.

    I ultimately changed out the transformer for a bigger, good used one from a US Air Force base in California that had a tapchanger. We set the voltage at 480 because the higher voltage meant motors drew less current to give the horsepower.

    Just the same in home plug voltages. You've heard 110, 117, 120, even 130 V for a standard plugin voltage. Its all the same. The older guys have heard 110 a lot more than they have now, where 120 has become the "standard". The exact voltage you see in you house is governed by the settings on the transformer on the pole out on the street and the load on the transformer.

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    I'm not trying to turn this into an argument, just going to provide the links that I have available to back up my previous post:

    https://www.crmagnetics.com/Portals/...d-voltages.pdf

    North American Voltage

    As one of them indicate, utilities strive for plus or minus 5% of the various voltages available (120, 208, 240, 277 & 480)This is important because machinery does not run effiecently on voltages that deviate to much. To back up that statement, NEC requires that circuits be designed for limited voltage losses. I believe it is 3% for branch circuits and 2% for feeder circuits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mechanic688 View Post
    There would not be 460 inside a house, at the most 220 for a heavy circuit like central air, furnace, etc. Normally it's 110.

    I wonder what would happen if you reversed the red and black wire. That would be putting the voltage thru the ground side of the meter,,,,hmmm. scratch head,,,
    so your saying that's why the red one melted?


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