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[auminer]

Well that escalated quickly...


I'm not doubting anyone's word, heck, I really don't care enough about what anyone else thinks of me & my operation to bother overstating my weights.

It does seem curious, though, to me, that someone could position themselves to gather ten tons of high grade ewaste material if said person doesn't know the basics of board sorting. I'm not trying to say I could tell a $1.25/pound board from a $1.50/pound board, but I think I have a journeyman's feel for the basics. Right now I have what I consider to be a bit of a hoard out in my garage... and it still probably wouldn't trip one ton on a scale. Close, maybe. That's from not taking any green P4 mobos in since and including a (for me) big haul in 2015. I've taken in other mobos, mind you, but green P4s I've been socking away as a leveraged gold investment. I don't need to tell yall it hasn't been my best investment move.

I actively seek out computers and in 2 years I haven't got a tenth of what some unknowledgeable someone has just managed to 'stumble upon' in short order?

How does that even happen?



Not saying you're lying, by any means... I once saw a guy with at least 300# of ram shoveling it into a gaylord at the ferrous yard. I wanted to cry & I wanted to scream... So I know that people can get things WAY outside their experience levels. I just wish I could get ahold of a whale that was outside of MY experience level!!!! I'm not even sure what that would look like.

[Paveitall]

i guess you will need to read the post where I was asked to introduce myself. It is a lot of material and I came here looking for answers and I guess it just makes people mad. No worries

[auminer]

i guess you will need to read the post where I was asked to introduce myself. It is a lot of material and I came here looking for answers and I guess it just makes people mad. No worries

Alright, I just wanna say, you need to hop down off the cross there, buddy.

That "mad" you're sensing is just the people who have been on this forum for years, and who have READ THIS FORUM for years rolling their eyes at yet another new visitor asking the same questions that have been covered numerous times in this forum. Then, when said new visitor wasn't not only spoon-fed the answers, but not spoon-fed the answers that he was already convinced that he was going to hear, he got mad.

10 tons is hella weight. It's way more than I'll ever see unless & until I grow way more contacts. But it's likely that the people you're looking at dealing with wouldn't bother to sweep 10 tons off the floor if it fell. They run so much weight 10 tons ain't squat to them. You're a one-off guy who's already said you don't know how to sort boards... if you show up with 10 tons of ""motherboards"" and it turns out you've got everything from actual motherboards down to brown TV boards in your gaylords, then you're gonna be in for a very rude awakening when instead of a big 30% check, the refiner sends you a big 30% BILL for processing your load.

I suggest you back up & read these forums. Learn to sort your boards. Find out exactly what it is you have, and sell it to someone who knows what they are doing and sends ten tons of properly sorted material regularly, to a refiner they've worked with before. THAT is where you'll make the best return on your money until you become the guy that can regularly ship ten tons of properly sorted material directly to a refiner.

[CapitalRecovery]

Alright, I just wanna say, you need to hop down off the cross there, buddy.

That "mad" you're sensing is just the people who have been on this forum for years, and who have READ THIS FORUM for years rolling their eyes at yet another new visitor asking the same questions that have been covered numerous times in this forum. Then, when said new visitor wasn't not only spoon-fed the answers, but not spoon-fed the answers that he was already convinced that he was going to hear, he got mad.


10 tons is hella weight. It's way more than I'll ever see unless & until I grow way more contacts. But it's likely that the people you're looking at dealing with wouldn't bother to sweep 10 tons off the floor if it fell. They run so much weight 10 tons ain't squat to them. You're a one-off guy who's already said you don't know how to sort boards... if you show up with 10 tons of ""motherboards"" and it turns out you've got everything from actual motherboards down to brown TV boards in your gaylords, then you're gonna be in for a very rude awakening when instead of a big 30% check, the refiner sends you a big 30% BILL for processing your load.

I suggest you back up & read these forums. Learn to sort your boards. Find out exactly what it is you have, and sell it to someone who knows what they are doing and sends ten tons of properly sorted material regularly, to a refiner they've worked with before. THAT is where you'll make the best return on your money until you become the guy that can regularly ship ten tons of properly sorted material directly to a refiner.

Speaking of sorting boards what are the little wifi boards considered?

[eesakiwi]

Speaking of sorting boards what are the little wifi boards considered?

I have a feeling that WiFi boards is something that can attract 'higher than escrap prices'.
Something to do with some WiFi boards being of a better quality/higher baud rates/recyclable.

There's a sub market in China where they buy specific parts and use them to make new items.
The little LCD screens, WiFi boards, tablets, CCD cameras from laptops.
They figure out what they want to make, find escrap with the required parts and buy it, make the item and sell it domestically.
Once they have a buying market for their item, they may start buying brand new parts, much cheaper in bulk, and manufacture for a export market.

The best example I have of this is a family business that made scrolling LED message boards/advertising signs.
They used a certain chip out of a certain cellphone to control the board.
When the cellphone was manufactured the makers needed a certain programme to control the Text message setup.
They found it was cheaper to just buy a existing proven standalone chip and use that in the phone, the time saving in development ment they could sell a new function in a cellphone earlier than their rivals.
Of course next year the programs/chip was incorporated into other chips in the phone.

The sign maker used this chip,, recycled its cheaper than the new chip, manufactured the signs using other recycled parts for a domestic market, made a profit, set up the manufacturing plant, grew it to the point they could export and was able to get better prices for new parts in the long run.

[armygreywolf]

I have a feeling that WiFi boards is something that can attract 'higher than escrap prices'.
Something to do with some WiFi boards being of a better quality/higher baud rates/recyclable.

There's a sub market in China where they buy specific parts and use them to make new items.
The little LCD screens, WiFi boards, tablets, CCD cameras from laptops.
They figure out what they want to make, find escrap with the required parts and buy it, make the item and sell it domestically.
Once they have a buying market for their item, they may start buying brand new parts, much cheaper in bulk, and manufacture for a export market.

The best example I have of this is a family business that made scrolling LED message boards/advertising signs.
They used a certain chip out of a certain cellphone to control the board.
When the cellphone was manufactured the makers needed a certain programme to control the Text message setup.
They found it was cheaper to just buy a existing proven standalone chip and use that in the phone, the time saving in development ment they could sell a new function in a cellphone earlier than their rivals.
Of course next year the programs/chip was incorporated into other chips in the phone.

The sign maker used this chip,, recycled its cheaper than the new chip, manufactured the signs using other recycled parts for a domestic market, made a profit, set up the manufacturing plant, grew it to the point they could export and was able to get better prices for new parts in the long run.

Bingo, I work with manufacturers overseas who do EXACTLY this. Not everything I'm buying has a ebay market, but some of the strangest things have a remanufacturing purpose.

[eastky]

To the OP of this thread. Why would anyone on the forum want to give you the recipe for success when the old timers are already in the thick of things? No offense to the folks that have been here on the forum for a long time.

To the OP of this thread. Have you done your homework? Are you sure on your yields from a certain type on PCB ?

To the OP is your pockets deep enough to withstand a dramatic down turn in the metals market?

My advice to everyone is to be a high grader or a so called cherry picker in your scrap processing.

No disrespect to the buyers here on the forum but if the members here on the forum think that the buyers are basing the buying price they pay for scrap is based on the spot price they are being gulliable.

[Paveitall]

Alright, I just wanna say, you need to hop down off the cross there, buddy.

That "mad" you're sensing is just the people who have been on this forum for years, and who have READ THIS FORUM for years rolling their eyes at yet another new visitor asking the same questions that have been covered numerous times in this forum. Then, when said new visitor wasn't not only spoon-fed the answers, but not spoon-fed the answers that he was already convinced that he was going to hear, he got mad.

10 tons is hella weight. It's way more than I'll ever see unless & until I grow way more contacts. But it's likely that the people you're looking at dealing with wouldn't bother to sweep 10 tons off the floor if it fell. They run so much weight 10 tons ain't squat to them. You're a one-off guy who's already said you don't know how to sort boards... if you show up with 10 tons of ""motherboards"" and it turns out you've got everything from actual motherboards down to brown TV boards in your gaylords, then you're gonna be in for a very rude awakening when instead of a big 30% check, the refiner sends you a big 30% BILL for processing your load.

I suggest you back up & read these forums. Learn to sort your boards. Find out exactly what it is you have, and sell it to someone who knows what they are doing and sends ten tons of properly sorted material regularly, to a refiner they've worked with before. THAT is where you'll make the best return on your money until you become the guy that can regularly ship ten tons of properly sorted material directly to a refiner.

Ok, just got down off the cross, thanks for the suggestion.

[auminer]

Ok, just got down off the cross, thanks for the suggestion.

Good start... keep it going with the suggestions in the last paragraph and you'll do just fine.