Kris Kringle...they r definitely motors..I've looked at 6 of these..one has copper..good deal..thx all for ur replies...I'll post sum pics as soon as I can use my gfs computer..some of them have like an extra section which could hold another motor....don't know much about these...they r old n came off of barrels at our metal finishing plant..sry cant figure out how to post pics from my phone..thx every1