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    Lessons Learned - first of many

    Best Lesson of the Year

    This is the story of the building of my third trailer. When I was younger tuition was paid for an education. Now the tuition is to the school of hard knocks in the form of sweat, stress, and money. We often offer advice and ideas on the forum, but we do not necessarily tell how we learned the lesson. I think we are embarrassed and I hope you can laugh with me and maybe share some of your lessons. The first lessons I shared on this site were learned on the water tank project. Was I embarrassed, yes. Could my lessons save someone else the headaches, I hope so.



    This is a picture of a 16 ft. gooseneck stock trailer that was to be scrapped on my first job.



    First was cutting the roof. The roof on goosenecks is engineered to support the side walls. After some research I thought I could reinforce the side walls to replace the strength produced by the roof.



    Next step was removing the old wooden floor that was rotten and replacing it with additional cross braces covered by pressed metal sheets. The cat walk type metal would allow snow, water, and dirt to fall through the floor reducing the amount of shoveling.



    Reinforcing the side walls with the roof material and 2 x 2 channel iron created 4 ft. side walls. You can see the left side wall completed and the piece of roof for the right side wall in the previous picture.



    Greasing the bearings and the axles and fixing the jack and coupler on the gooseneck was the next priority. Magnetic lights were added and wired to the truck and the new rig was taken for a test ride. Worked perfect it was time to fill it up. I did not have any machinery at this time so it had to be loaded by hand. It took a week to load and during the time we had a major snow storm. I did have three trucks, cutting torch, and hand tools when I started the year.

    After driving the load 50 mi. out of the 55 mi. to the scrap yard I blew a tire. The trailer dropped, bent the gooseneck bracing, and was stranded on the side of the road. I did not know the length of the roof supported the gooseneck and provided the strength. Had to cut the side walls on one side of the trailer and unload it by hand. The scrap yard did provide a tub to load it into and came and picked it up when it was loaded.



    End result, six tons of iron, ½ ton of sheet metal from cutting the sides and guessing two tons of snow and ice.



    This is a picture of my scrapping partners and their disappointment in the situation.



    This trailer was replaced with another gooseneck stock trailer with 2 ft. walls, 28 ft. long with 4 in. angle iron cap on the side walls, and reinforced bracing for the hitch. The wooden floor was replaced with the pressed metal from the first trailer. I will try to get a picture of it when I return to the ranch after the holiday. It is even painted. I am not saying I know how to build a trailer, but I can tell you what not to do.

    Lessons Learned

    Do not try to out smart an engineer.
    Do not over load a trailer.
    If you load a trailer, you better be ready to unload it.
    Snow and Ice are more dense than most steel.

    Happy New Years to all.
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    Ouch! Tough lesson Patriot. At least your partners are sharing your pain ; )
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    Bummer Dude! I've never thought of doing such. Sorry you had to even learn this lesson.
    We have all made mistakes.

    I will share two from 2013-- both regard loading and securing of loads.

    1. I picked up a Chevy Blazer, Tied it down at all 4 points, had it in Park, put on the emergency brake. I drove about 15 miles and when I stopped, the truck had slid into my winch box. Could not figure out for the life of me how (not as if I was even on the interstate) and with that- now all the straps were loose. Come to find out- the neutral safety switch on the blazer was broken or had issues. Lesson: Just look for things of that nature in the future!

    2. I picked up a buddy of mine's car. I strapped it down at all 4 points as usual, I had to have it in neutral to winch it up. Apparently when I was all tied down and ready to go, all seemed tight, all seemed just fine and we were about 3 miles from pick-up to drop-off. I pull into the cul-de-sac and as I start backing up, the car comes forward. He never took it out of neutral- put it in park OR put the E-brake on. Once again the straps were loose and the car was literally just sitting on the trailer.
    Lesson: MY RIG, MY RESPONSIBILITY!

    Thankfully no one or nothing was damaged, I pooped my pants TWICE in 2013! I'm about as retentive as they come, and both of these situations were thoroughly embarrassing to me! Hurt my pride- but lessons learned!
    I'm so into scrapping.. When my Steel Toe Boots Wear out, I cut the Steel out of them and recycle the Toe!

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    Lessons Learned - first of many

    set two pair of overalls on fire with my demo saw before I decided to invest in chaps. if you buy the warranty on carhartts at gander mountain for 10 dollars. they will replace them if u set them on fire.

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    Thanks Bear and Sledge 42. I should have mentioned this was in Jan. of last year, before I invested in a skid steer and made two more trailers. I now have five trailers and only one is factory made. I will be adding more posts of my mishaps throughout the year.

    Sledge, I have not experienced your situation but am sure I will sometime in the future. If it helps I forgot to lock the coupler on my gooseneck and when I loaded the skid steer, the hitch came undone, the back of the trailer dropped, and the hitch slammed into the rear of the box. I have also forgotten to open the tail gate when unhooking from the trailer. The advantage of this mistake is that it is easier to hook up the gooseneck now that I have a dent in the middle of the box.

    Bear you are such a knowledgeable individual and offer so much insight to every post. "Would you bend down to pick up a penny" is the first post where I realized the renaissance man your are. It is hard to believe you have not had to learn the hard way. Please share. Many members would find it very interesting that a master could make a mistake.

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    Fun with trailers!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot76 View Post
    Best Lesson of the Year

    ...First was cutting the roof. The roof on goosenecks is engineered to support the side walls. After some research I thought I could reinforce the side walls to replace the strength produced by the roof...
    You had mentioned this detail earlier this year where the trailer walls and roof serve as structural members as a caution to another scrapper who was looking at modifying a trailer. I wondered how you would know about that detail 'cause it is a pretty fine point in the design of a trailer.

    Now I know the REST of the story!!

    I heartily tip my hat to your willingness to tell your learning stories, especially taking the time to post photos to help the descriptions. Even though it may not be directly related to the subject of scrapping, many of us are independent thinkers and doers who may need to take the roads less travelled to get to our desired result, which is, in the case of your story, a heavy duty trailer for carrying scrap. We need (or want) to take the "long 'way 'round to get to owning a heavy duty trailer because of many reasons...shortage of cash, to make something that suits our needs, etc. And sometimes the scrap that passes through our hands is just begging to be modified to suit our uses.

    Thanks, and keep the stories coming!!

    Jon.

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    Well Patriot, I appreciate your confidence, but I really don't do big enough stuff to make such notable mistakes ; )
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    Well Mike glad You are ok and no body got hurt.. its like this, if you don't fail in sumthing You'll never know how to improve in the future... so this is a blessing not a discouragement.
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    Now the rest of the story. This busted up trailer became some of the best and worst advertising I could have had. It sat on the side of the only major highway between the small town I live in and the city I haul to. It was a conversation piece for the community. Some thought I was the dumbest person alive and others admired someone willing to jump in with two feet to pursue a dream. Regardless the conversations communicated some one in the area trying to make a niche to continue to be part of the community.

    Sawmilleng, You are right. To me it is always the challenge. I wanted to make a trailer and love to reuse scrap. The combination created the challenge. I share my stories because I strongly believe no one has enough time in a life time to make all the mistakes they desearve. We can learn from others or the hard way. I hope others will educate me before I have to learn everything the hard way.

    Trot, Another option for warmer weather is Duluth Trading Company Fire Hose pants. I used these doing the demolition of the water tanks and burned holes in them with all the cutting. They replaced them free without any questions. In colder weather I use chaps, but hate to take them off when I go to town. It is just to cold.

    Bear, Well said. I am an avid back packer and outdoorsman and could relate to the canyon walls. I appreciate your description, method of presentation, and diplomacy. I respect all thoughts, opinions, and types of scrappers. Even though we travel different paths, each pursues their own passion and dreams.

    PC Scrapper - Thank you for the reinforcement. I consider every event a blessing as long as no one gets hurt. Sometimes even when I get hurt I consider it a blessing because I could have been hurt worse.

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    Don't be afraid to fail. Don't waste energy trying to cover up failure. Learn from your failures and go on to the next challenge. It's OK to fail. If you're not failing, you're not growing. - H. Stanley Judd

    Good post Patriot!

    Oh an meant to add...That trailer looked liked it was used to haul cattle/animals! Yes..odd to note..but then, I'm far from the definition of sane.

    Sirscrapalot - Learn from your defeat, an you've not really lost. - Not me.

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    Someone didn't secure their boat well...

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    I wonder if they ticketed the boat owner for improper lane change,,,

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    2 things we all either know or should learn

    You learn from your mistakes(I should be a genius by now)

    Everyone makes mistakes, but it's how you recover from them is most important

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    what a bad a5=5 ... bet it was the snow that did u in

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    All I know is that it started with an s. Snow, stupidity, or s*** happens.

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    Or...all three!

    Usually is a result of all three s's.

    Sirscrapalot - If mistakes, or screw ups equaled genius or rich...I'd be retired an have people quoting me all over!

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    Made many mistakes, but was careful not to document a lot of them. Here is todays. Cutting up a swather and it caught fire in a machine shed. Loaded with animal dung, something Native Americans and mountain men used to cook over. Anyway it was exciting and all turned out good. Did tighten up the crotch though.


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